and i want to ask you, and john mccain made reference, what our viewers will ask about. amnesty in the 1980's, we don't want to repeat the mistakes of 1986 we said we would secure the border and we didn't. how there will need to be increased employer verification system for whether illegals are working in these corporate shops and so on. he really feels like this time around they need to do it differently, secure and then provide the path. >> the problem, megyn, is with all the good intentions that i think are present here, is that the word secure is tricky. how do you measure, how do you know when the border is effectively sealed? and the answer is, that's very hard to measure and they can set up various kinds of standards and a number of agents to put on, a number of drones and the size of this fence or that check point or so forth. those things are all kind of input. the output of illegal immigrants so to speak into this country is obviously what you're trying to check and that's a little harder to measure so that will be something that everybody wrestles with as we g